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101 buoni motivi per non passare ai Lumia con WP7.5 Mango

Ecco uscire allo scoperto finalmente "il peggio" dello "spirito" Microsoft
Sembra di vedere l'elenco dei bug delle prime release Windows
Il matrimonio con WM7 invece che con ANDROID temo possa essere una mossa che la Nokia rimpiangerà a lungo

le stesse cose che ho pensato io dopo aver letto...

insomma...facendo una breve sintesi non fa niente di quello che un nokia di bassissima fascia fa già da tempo

Credo che sia da addebitarsi al vecchio demone del "fuori di me solo il deserto": la voglia matta di voler accentrare,monopolizzare,egemonizzare per lucrare al massimo ,gioca sempre brutti scherzi.
Con la sua "apertura" semplice e sincera verso il mondo credo che Symbian abbia evidentemente ancora molto da insegnare a molti

Mi permetto di dissentire, e spiego anche il perchè,sia chiaro non voglio creare flame o "discussioni", ma la mia opinione è che Android sia un buon sistema, ma per assurdo vecchio.
Il fatto di essere "libero", di avere directory e file system etc. lo rende molto simile a windows mobile fino alla versione 6.5, che io oviamente ritenevo un buon sistema ma che aveva gli stessi detrattori che ora vantano android.
LA mia opinione è che WP7 sia un buon S.O. , decisamente innovativo, ma che per varie ragioni (marketing sbagliato, sistema acerbo etc.) non ha preso piede come si sperava.
E' migliorabile?, decisamente si, ma chi legge il post si farebbe un'idea sbagliata, al di la della traduzione tristissima, in alcuni punti sono daccordo, ma molti altri sono errati.
Ad esempio la conversione di Zune con perdita di qualità non la vedo, converto tranquillamente i video e non ho problemi di sorta
no wifi hot spot, questo dipende dagli operatori, ad esempio tim non permette la connessione internet utilizzando il palmare mentre vodafone si.
I file mp3 possono essere usati come suoneria, devono essere tagliati od utilizzare app gratuite, ma non vedo "vincoli stringenti"
Sincronizzo tranquillamente con Outlook

come premesso la traduzione è stata fatta con google... purtroppo non ho tempo di studiare il cinese e forse qualche cosa si è persa nella traduzione... ma direi che un buon 80 punti di quelli elencati corrispondono a realtà...e questo...anzi, già solo questo potrebbe portare a rifletterci due volte su un probabile acquisto...
poi..oh... come detto da te l'os è ancora acerbo e potrebbe fare molta strada migliorando sempre più... ma al momento in cui scriviamo non è così ...puLtroppo

per corretteza nei confronti dell'amico "dark687" e di tutti quelli che in un senso o nell'altro non saranno d'accordo con quanto scritto sopra.... magari come detto prima con la traduzione si è persa qualcosa...sono andato alla ricerca della fonte e trovata...posto qui l'intero "argomento" che, imho, mette ancora più in cattiva luce il tutto...

L'articolo originario è stato scritto da un certo "SamKB"

101 REASONS NOT TO BUY A LUMIA WINDOWS PHONE 7.5

WP7.5 (Mango) is already in its second generation but it still has many restrictions, limitations and serious usability issues. This is a list of its shortcomings as compared with other smartphone OS in the market. We are not comparing special features or abilities but those which have become the norm for all smartphones and even dumb phones. An Android, Symbian or MeeGo phone would have almost none of these shortcomings. An iphone share some restrictions with WP7.5 but is still miles ahead. Even the Nokia N9 running the first generation MeeGo OS is far better with none of the disastrous issues which impact on the sheer usability of the phone.

Note: Some manufacturers may add their own provisions to overcome some of the shortcomings but they are not part of the OS and are applicable only to their specific models. The Nokia Lumia has no special add-ons so this list is generally applicable to the Lumia.

OS LIMITATIONS
1. No true multitasking - apps are frozen in the background.
2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.
3. No mass storage mode.
4. No micro-SD card support.
5. Only support up to 16GB storage .
6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.
7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.
8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.
9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.
10. No wi-fi hotspot.
11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.
12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.
14. Cannot sync with Outlook.
15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.
16. System font size cannot be changed.
17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.
18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.
19. No centralized notification page.
20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.
23. Bluetooth cannot stream to car audio devices (no rSAP).
24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).
25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.
26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.
27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.
28. Very limited customization option.
29. Ugly 2D flat interface. Oversized fonts for headings treat you like an idiot.


USABILITY ISSUES
30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.
31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background.
32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.
33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.
34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.
35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.
36. Cannot edit playlist or create new playlists from phone.
37. Cannot delete a song from phone.
38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone.
39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot.
40. No progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is playing
41. Cannot lock screen orientation.
42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.
43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. No way to create a ‘Favourites’ list of phone contacts
44. Cannot save draft sms messages.
45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.
46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.
47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one.
48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.
49. Notification for recurring events is only given once and none thereafter.
50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name.
51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable.
52. No peak/off-peak scheduling for email downloads.
53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G.


FEATURE LIMITATIONS
54. No video call.
55. No haptic feedback for keyboard.
56. No Swype.
57. No flashplayer support.
58. No support for Java apps.
59. No call recording or app to do it.
60. No call blocking or app to do it.
61. No screenshots or app to do it.
62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it.
63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly with hardware not allowed.
64. No equalizer for Zune music player.
65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker.
66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no offline reading.
67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE.
68. No built-in pdf file reader, need to buy app.
69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment.
70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS.
71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft!
72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most countries outside U.S.
73. Email time stamp does not show the year.
74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets and users locked to one market.
75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S.


DUMB AND DUMBER
76. One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.
77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps. Too bad if you are in the middle of a download.
78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep.
79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms.
80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection. MMS does not use 3G data.
81. Phone cannot be charged when off.
82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).
83. Volume up/down buttons cannot operate when screen is off.
84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen when locked – a privacy violation.
85. Phone can be rebooted without unlocking to bypass security lock.


FEATURES EVEN DUMB PHONES HAVE BUT WP7.5 DOESN’T
86. No bluetooth file transfer.
87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.
88. Cannot save new contacts from call history.
89. Cannot sms contacts from call history.
90. Cannot show call duration in call history.
91. No way to edit MMS profile for Operators in the OS. Need an app which is not available in all markets.
92. Call history does not group calls by contact.
93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older than current day.
94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of notifications.
95. No ringer profiles.
96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring).
97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file.
98. Cannot backup sms to PC.
99. Cannot save contact to SIM card.
100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file.
101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.


***Edit: No. 91 has been amended as it is now possible to delete individual calls in call history with an update so this has been dropped.

Credo che alcuni siano banali incovegnenti di gioventù (anche se forse da un gigante assoluto come Microsoft forse è lecito aspettarsi un pochino di più)... mentre altri sono semplicemete frutto della volontà di tenere il sistema "chiuso".... e io mal sopporto tali restrizioni del tutto immotivate tecnicamente (ma molto giustificate economicamente ).
Se una cosa è possibile gratis con Symbian non trovo un grosso passo avanti doverla pagare con altri S.O.
Tutto qui

Riciao a tutti.
Riguardo la traduzione la mia non era una polemica nei tuoi confronti, ma semplicemente costatavo il fatto che diventa difficile con una traduzione comprendere, in alcuni punti, cosa effettivamente viene segnalato.
Ti faccio un altro esempio, nel tuo post al punto
96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring).
Come lo interpreti, a me viene istintivo capire che non c'è la possibilità di mettere in silenzioso il palmare o la vibrazione, cosa che invece è ovviamente possibile, già dalla versione NODO,altrimenti altro che acerbo sarebbe "marcio" ha ha ha .
Altro punto:
83. Volume up/down buttons cannot operate when screen is off.
Anche qui se si intende che con lo schermo bloccato non si po' regolare il volume,dipende se è un problema,per capirci se si rigerisce a quando lo schermo è "Nero" (diciamo spento) allora il fatto che non riceva comandi è corretto ,per evitare che il volume venga modificato inavvertitamente mentre è in tasca p in una custodia, io ad esempio ho una custodia in pelle da cintura che stringerebbe i pulsanti, era così ed è corretto anche per altri palmari, se invece si riferisce alla schermata iniziale (quella in cui si deve scorrere l'immagine per attivare le funzioni, il volume funziona correttamente.
34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.
Anche qui non condivido. in MAngo è stata attivata la funzione multitasking (non entro nel merito per ora se è un reale multitasking o no), ma posso visualizzare le applicazioni aperte e saltare direttamente a qualla da chiudere, tempo massimo 3 secondi.
101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.
Anche questo, se si tratta delle sveglie è falso
20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.
Lo fa anche windows Phone
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
Assolutamente falso

56. No Swype.
Se si intende Skype ora c'è, altrimenti non comprendo.

Per il resto di sicuro alcune cose sono vere, il punto è che alcune sono vere ma non sono difetti, altre effettivamente sono difetti da correggere, ad esempio la grandezza dei caratteri o altro, altre sono assolutamente false e, a mio parere diventa quindi sbagliato presentare questo sistema come un qualcosa con 100 punti addirittura da correggere.
IMHO, naturalmente e grazie per la risposta

il web serve anche a questo (sopratutto i forum) ...smentire quello che altri affermano...
bene... possiamo iniziare una sorte di "scerbatura" tra le "falsità" scritte da SamKB ed i reali difetti del Lumia con a bordo Mango 7.5...perchè sono proprio questi terminali con questo OS a bordo che sono stati messi sotto accusa da Sam

Samsung e HTC hanno ovviato ad alcune lacune "personalizzando" Mango
le lamentele stanno proprio qui..perchè microsoft e nokia no?!

su 101 possibili difetti possiamo escludere grazie a te all'incirca 11 punti

n.b.: con swype si intende la possibilità di strisciare il dito sulla tastiera per comporre la parola da scrivere

OS LIMITATIONS
1. No true multitasking - apps are frozen in the background.
2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.
3. No mass storage mode.
4. No micro-SD card support.
5. Only support up to 16GB storage .
6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.
7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.
8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.
9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.
10. No wi-fi hotspot.
11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.
12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.
13. No VPN support for this “corporate enterprise” phone.
14. Cannot sync with Outlook.
15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.
16. System font size cannot be changed.
17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.
18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.
19. No centralized notification page.
20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.
21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.
22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.
23. Bluetooth cannot stream to car audio devices (no rSAP).
24. Cannot stream audio from video to Bluetooth devices (No A2DP).
25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.
26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard.
27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.
28. Very limited customization option.
29. Ugly 2D flat interface. Oversized fonts for headings treat you like an idiot.


USABILITY ISSUES
30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.
31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you don’t want running in the background.
32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.
33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.
34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.
35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.
36. Cannot edit playlist or create new playlists from phone.
37. Cannot delete a song from phone.
38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone.
39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot.
40. No progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is playing
41. Cannot lock screen orientation.
42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.
43. Cumbersome dialing with no smartdial. No way to create a ‘Favourites’ list of phone contacts
44. Cannot save draft sms messages.
45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.
46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.
47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one.
48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.
49. Notification for recurring events is only given once and none thereafter.
50. Apps are listed alphabetically with no way to group by category. Can be hard to find if you don’t remember the name.
51. Calendar scheduler has no weekly view and monthly view is non-zoomable.
52. No peak/off-peak scheduling for email downloads.
53. If both wi-fi and data connection are available which one it chooses to use is unpredictable. User experiences don’t agree with Microsoft that it “typically” choose wi-fi over 3G.


FEATURE LIMITATIONS
54. No video call.
55. No haptic feedback for keyboard.
56. No Swype. ????
57. No flashplayer support.
58. No support for Java apps.
59. No call recording or app to do it.
60. No call blocking or app to do it.
61. No screenshots or app to do it.
62. No auto wallpaper changer and no app to do it.
63. Totally locked down os means apps which interact directly with hardware not allowed.
64. No equalizer for Zune music player.
65. FM radio doesn’t work on speaker.
66. IE browser has no text reflow, no download capability and no offline reading.
67. No 3rd party browsers allowed except those based on IE.
68. No built-in pdf file reader, need to buy app.
69. Cannot open zip or rar files received as email attachment.
70. Cannot send or receive video by MMS.
71. Office Mobile has much less features than 3rd party Office editors like SmartOffice, QuickOffice and Polaris. Shame on you, Microsoft!
72. No native Google maps and Bing maps is useless for most countries outside U.S.
73. Email time stamp does not show the year.
74. Wide difference in apps availability in different markets and users locked to one market.
75. Not all Bing features available outside U.S.


DUMB AND DUMBER
76. One volume control for all functions including media playback, ringtones, alarms, notifications.
77. Wi-fi disconnects when screen sleeps. Too bad if you are in the middle of a download.
78. If you receive a text message when talking on the phone an audio alert will blast your ear at the full volume set. All other phones will give a soft beep.
79. Can only enter one mobile phone no. for each contact. Mobile nos. entered in other fields will not accept sms.
80. Cannot send/receive MMS without enabling 3G data connection. MMS does not use 3G data.
81. Phone cannot be charged when off.
82. Need to be plugged in to wall charger to sync wirelessly (a funny definition of wireless).
83. Volume up/down buttons cannot operate when screen is off.
84. Phone will wake up and display sms content on lockscreen when locked – a privacy violation.
85. Phone can be rebooted without unlocking to bypass security lock.


FEATURES EVEN DUMB PHONES HAVE BUT WP7.5 DOESN’T
86. No bluetooth file transfer.
87. Cannot handle USSD codes necessary for prepaid users to obtain services.
88. Cannot save new contacts from call history.
89. Cannot sms contacts from call history.
90. Cannot show call duration in call history.
91. No way to edit MMS profile for Operators in the OS. Need an app which is not available in all markets.
92. Call history does not group calls by contact.
93. Call history does not show the time of call for calls older than current day.
94. Cannot set custom sounds for different types of notifications.
95. No ringer profiles.
96. No silent option (no vibrate and no ring).
97. Cannot send/receive contact as a csv file.
98. Cannot backup sms to PC.
99. Cannot save contact to SIM card.
100. Cannot change alarm ring tone or use a MP3 file.
101. Cannot set alarm snooze interval.

beh...sei d'accordo con me....che comunque i punti a sfavore rimangono tanti

ovviamente , come detto da te e da dduck il sistema è ancora giovane e avrà sicuramente modo di crescere... ma è grazie a quelli come te che lo usano e che hanno diritto e cognizione di contraddire che quelli che ignorano tali eventuali difetti, si possono fare un'idea prima di spendere attorno ai 300 eurozzi.

edit: mi sono fatto un giro tra i miei "amici" Lumiani-WP7 e tutti dicono che i 101 punti corrispondono a realtà... una domanda dark...ma tu che terminale hai?

se non ho visto male hai un Lumia 800